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Post by Marathonman on Apr 1, 2023 9:33:18 GMT -6
Efficient Electromagnets
In my study and research into proper winding techniques I came across a few interesting features I would like to share. I tend to gravitate to older publication like pre 1950 or even older as it seems the information is closer to reality then present day joke they call physics. All things electrical are designed for profit mass produced and to waste electricity. Do you honestly think these multinational companies have "YOUR" best interest in mind? "NOT HARDLY" it is all about them and how much money they can make off of you.
A specific publication or actually many publications from the early 1900's stated that any such winding over 1/2 inch in depth will have detrimental effects on your electromagnet. What this means is anything over 1/2 in winding dept will have very little addition of magnetic flux to the core if any at all. Plus the fact that your adding more self inductance, capacitance and additional resistance into the mix which is detrimental to your goal of attaining the highest flux electromagnet as possible. Not to mention all this added luggage slows the electromagnet reaction speed down substantially with the resistance wasting potential through heat. Remember part G controls current flow not the primaries, their job is to produce flux only!
Below is an illustration of the depth one needs to heed in order to build effective and efficient electromagnets.
Also as I have previously stated many times is in order to have the most efficient electromagnets you also have to make them multi stranded or multi windings. This effectively reduces resistance allowing you to have an electromagnet that can have high flux with a lower voltage source. Either wind with sectional windings or layered windings, either way reduces resistance making use of available potential in the most efficient way possible.
If you think about it all that is stated is "N" number of of turns or ampere turns. No where on this planet does it say it has to be one wire length. Wind your electromagnets wisely using your copper and core in the most cost and material efficiency possible. Of course producing the highest flux electromagnet in the process.
Regards, Marathonman
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Post by Marathonman on Apr 10, 2023 18:52:26 GMT -6
Food for thought
Quote from a friend of mine explained to bafoon's replicators on OU;
"It is impossible between the inducers. Preventing the activity associated with transformers. If you place any two independent magnets north to south they combine into a single magnet, No good .If you do the same with any two electromagnets you get the same. Then the interception with a secondary or induced follows normal transformer rules, at the expense of supply current, which has no advantage. I gave you a clear image of two magnets facing each other and the field is clearly seen using iron filings. You can see the way each of the field flow with a distinct shear point between them where all the magnetic lines of force are squashed together in a fraction of the space they normally resided in. How many times have people drawn up something which acts like a normal transformer and got zilch for results. Do you really expect those lemons to give up chocolate milk?Really? Want to toss some formulas into the air showing a singular field? I'm sure it is quite accurate but no more relative then the lemon is to cocoa bean. Find a formula to show two separate fields which alternate in strength never using more then either one at full saturation because the current is adjusted from one electromagnet to the other in part and in succession never going to zero power on either.
So in theory you only need calculate one electromagnet at full saturation for one. Then find a formula to give the quality of the magnetic field and it's potential reaction on a secondary or induced winding on a second core in close proximity. What could come out of the induced based on the quality of the inducers field is not at the expense of the inducers or the current which produced the field because you did not link the inducer fields to each other to make a complete path between them they are kept independent of each other. Only the space between the two opposing fields with its shear point and line of separation is moving to and fro. The difference between these two fields which flow opposite directions (that is to say they still flow N-S but when facing each other N-N it will be seen as opposite flows of flux) it is twice as great as a single field changing direction back and forth. I'm sure you know of or have had some one explain or ask the question" If a south bound train traveling 60 miles an hour runs into a train going north bound at 80 miles an hour what is the speed of impact?" It's not 80 nor 60, it's 140. Consider further will a train consume more fuel going 140mph compared to two which are going one at 60 and one at 80? Lots of variables come into play. Trains being pretty far from two magnetic fields pushing against each other, the connection is little more then to help you think in terms of opposition not cooperation of fields.
Now you speak of a single half wave, I have no idea how you got that, Its far from that. Next you will be jumping ahead to two D cores with a single link between them powered by primaries separately. That's not the same thing either, You would still be working off transformer rules by permanently linking all the fields. They cant very well push each other around if they are combining into one. Then the only way to push it around is to use a lot power getting it to reverse direction 50 or 60 times a second.
Another way of looking at it: Take a pipe and place a balloon on each end.Imagine you have placed a portion of air into the pipe enough to make the balloons taught but not expanded. Then imagine you can get a solid piston inside the center of the pipe. If you were some how able to move the piston to one side you would push more air into that side and the balloon would expand while the other emptied. Then push the piston back the other way and other balloon will fill while the opposite empties. You have not changed the volume of air in the set up you just moved it more to one side then the to the other side with the piston. Now what if it was the air that was pushing the piston back and forth by squeezing the balloons one at a time? Still the volume of air remains the same while the piston moves back and forth. Replace the balloons with inducers and replace the piston with the induced. Think of the air as the magnetic field with a point of separation between the two sides because they are naturally repulsive to each other."
The whole analogy of this post is to shift the collision point of the two fields from side to side over the space occupied by the secondary without ever loosing the field compression or reversing the fields of the inducers. The opposing fields are brought up to proper compression then just shifted side to side that is all, no more , no less. There is no north and south fields period, end of conversation, as that would combine as one field which is transformer action. The opposing magnetic fields fields never combine as one field never allowing transformer action to take place.
"The only way to conserve input is just that, conserve it by not directly coupling the magnetic effects to the output constantly while still getting the change in flux in the induced. Two magnets with an effect on time of 1/4 of the time each= 50 percent each used to operate induction at 100 percent the decline is free. I think you'll find Remanence can be your friend along with Lenz law if you have enough real estate to keep everyone happy. Now you can think about geometry of pole faces to even out things and the hour glass shape of the core pieces to concentrate force and reduce wire. The electric motor in the home of Mr ya know who, that was not a novelty. It lags and lagging reflective power keeps all the lights from knocking the entire works out of time. The motor is a must have just let it run under no load. Might work better with a weight to function as a fly wheel if too small a motor is used. May even have to start the motor turning by hand if proportions are out of wack."
Again an analogy used describing the opposing primaries and the induction of the secondary. Of course the motor was used to keep the timing in check being that part G is an inductor and the motor having capacitance or rather reflective secondary feed back into part G. Each one 90 degrees from each other zero's each other out.
PS I hope this helps as it sure did I and No he was not talking to me but another ou person. My personal emails are different as we talked for months.
Edit; So in other words who cares that one side is soft coupling while reducing as this is the only time it is coupled. All other aspects of the device is opposing except at this time while it is generating while reducing and that is only to get south polarity, generation and sweeping. NO this is not transformer action, it is generator action yet none moving. A transformer is 100% coupled while this device is soft coupled to one electromagnets only while reducing 1/4 of the time which substantially reduces power draw compared to a wasteful 100% Coupled transformer.
Regards, Marathonman
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Post by Marathonman on Jun 8, 2023 15:35:25 GMT -6
What I see from the reaction from some people when they look at my graph is an automatic transformer coupling in their minds. You could not be farther from the truth if you tried. First off Transformer action required 100% coupling in order to have induction. This induction requires a north and a south field as does all induced secondaries to produce an EMF. The problem lies in the understanding of the graph I posted which clearly shows that ONLY one side is coupled and that only takes place while reducing which is very loosely coupled at best which is needed for the secondary to have polarity. If you have no polarity then you have no emf movement what so ever.
What we are doing here with two opposing electromagnets is compressing the field lines to raise the overall output to match that of a standard generator. We then reduce one and raise the other to get the collision point of the two fields to sweep across the secondary. This in turn allows the flux from each electromagnet to fill up the secondary without the interference from the reducing opposing electromagnet. The rising opposing electromagnet shoves the fields across the space occupied by the secondary. Since it's field is a north field and the secondary lenz law fields is north they will be opposing as they move across the secondary. Remember the magnetic fields of all the magnetic fields stay opposing yet the electric fields are not. When you take and raise one electromagnet and reduce the other they remain opposing yet the electric fields are then polarized and current will flow.
The minimal coupling is needed in order to get the secondary induced field to polarize thus current will then begin to flow. The electromagnets still remain opposing at all times yet raising one and reducing the other will polarize the secondary with minimal coupling reducing the draw on the originating field to near nothing because it is reducing anyways.
The whole purpose of this form of switching is to reduce the transformer action and cogging effects to near zero all while still producing a substantial amount of EMF in which Figuera succeeded in his journey which is obviously apparent as to his 5 patents and 4 after his death. The only coupling taking place is the reducing electromagnet which is minimal at best which is why there is no transformer action taking place. If you still think there is standard transformer action taking place in this device then I would suggest you review your belief system or reevaluate your education origin.
The biggest kick I get is some how people seem to think physics change when two opposing electromagnets are put end to end. It basically solidifies my original thought that their physic understanding was flawed from the start.
Regards, Marathonman
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