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Post by Marathonman on Dec 1, 2019 9:51:33 GMT -6
It is good you are still building and edging towards a working part G. i do like those slip rings. unfortunately i can not say the same as the things i am trying to hold on to is all packed up ready for storage. i will be working on getting restabilized to finish what i started. good to see you moving forward.
regards, Marathonman
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Post by peter on Dec 6, 2019 10:55:14 GMT -6
still building...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 23:55:33 GMT -6
Hi Guys : Im asking for permission to join you with building of Figuera generator in this post. I have started with part G and some photos are available to share with you.
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Post by cornboy on Dec 8, 2019 1:41:52 GMT -6
Welcome Skyrob, i don't think you need permission, but you asking speaks volume to your character.
Marathonman is the owner of this forum.
Again Welcome, and i look forward to your build.
Kind Regards Cornboy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 2:00:55 GMT -6
I wish to share my idea of build with you guys: how ever I would have slightly different approach . it is clear to me that somehow previous builders got slightly sidetrack from patent itself. What I find interesting that Figuera is using DC power to start running his device and then apparently recharges battery while generator is running. this I find myself very interesting , personally I have not an idea how figuera managed to convert pulsating output to DC that feeds primary coils via comutator. Considering that output of his device was some 550V I gess with no load . also his device was easy to start on press demonstrations and didn't need to run el motor. Perhaps it was running from some kind of battery... that brings me on subject battery  cars been cranked up with handle and dynamos/magnetos supply spark and some cruel power. is it possible that we are simply overlooking the fact that Figuera run DC generator from secondary coils driven with AC motor.. this would perhaps support Marathonman with his idea of electric motor required. Obviously if this is the case ,MM would be correct of needing electric motor that would assist with production of DC for self running . First diode was to small to be used with Figuera and practical Selenium diode was in 1930 getting some attention How ever this is my lack of understanding of this patent but there must be the way to replicate it
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 2:22:21 GMT -6
I have cut copper bits for comutator , yes it is 16 pieces , now i need to see friend to have it bent to suit bakelite armature. comutator is stationary only brush would glide over segments and other brush on the slip ring. motor that drives brush will be having ability up to 10 000 rpm , probably never need that much but it is there if i need to try 150Hz how ever motor has optical feedback to stabilize rpm , perhaps there is some resonance in the play Attachments:
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Post by Marathonman on Dec 8, 2019 12:14:25 GMT -6
Welcome back Skyrob, i had moved your posts and i guess you thought i deleted it and you left so then i did delete it.
you are asking basic questions that have already been addressed. if you actually read what has been posted you would know exactly how the Figuera device operates. building a device without knowing how it operates is very foolish indeed. my suggestion to you is to read and study what i have posted in the tech thread especially on how part G uses DC and inductive reactance to control current flow.
"Marathonman with his idea of electric motor required" i have no clue where this came from as the patent states specifically there is a motor that rotates brushes and there is NO diodes in the Figuera device. again there needs to be more study of the patent and my posts before continuing forward.
This device output frequency depends on what Country you are from. the U.S. will be 3,600 rpm at 60 hz and most others will be 3,000 rpm at 50 hz. also please use the General discussion thread for chatter. of course a small AC motor can be used to rotate the brushes if you can find one small enough.
Regards, Marathonman
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 13:19:22 GMT -6
Hi MM :
I have some kind of understanding how Figuera generator should operate and what outcome it should provide. Please I don't want to be disrespectful but give me a little space on my way of R/D . Im happy to share my wrong doing with this forum. I don't wish to argue about how it should be done , due my inability to inspect how real device operated. I have read your very large input of information about this device and that actually prompted me to share my thoughts with this group of enthusiasts , that use their free time to create what was buried long time ago.
Im happy if you let me inform forum in this place how I'm progressing.
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Post by Marathonman on Dec 8, 2019 21:21:32 GMT -6
There has been may people over the last 6 years who thought how this generator works and unfortunately all of them were wrong with failed attempts.
Good luck and we will see just how your understanding plays out. Regards, Marathonman
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 4:38:20 GMT -6
Hi All: gathering components for comutator "G" on hydraulic press pieces of copper press bend to rough shape and insulation has arrived for body of commutator. Copper is busbar 10x20mm cut to pieces and insulation is from: www.insulcut.com.au/bakelite-fabric-based-industrial-laminate/ I have used F3 next job to machine the assebly  
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Post by Marathonman on Dec 9, 2019 7:51:29 GMT -6
Peter; You can use Postimage link for your pics of part G. please post and explain. Thanks, Marathonman
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Post by peter on Dec 9, 2019 8:36:44 GMT -6
Hi All, Well I basically designed the following commutator first in a 3D software. this was the result.  I only moved the middle bearing to the other side, and made the hollow shaft a bit longer. Next up was designing a shell. this i 3D pinted in 8 parts using standard PLA   Next up was printing the Coomutator bars. Used carbon here, and used 1mm thick copper tape for the inside lining. . cut 32 parts. Also had to cut the springs inside the brush holders in half, as they where pushing to hard. Brushes are wide enough to span 2 commutator contatcts. so there's a make before break going on 
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Post by peter on Dec 9, 2019 8:58:25 GMT -6
  Here are some pics of the completed commutator build, 32 little bolts sticking out, witch need to be bridged to get 16 outputs 'knight rider'style. A small 24VDC motor attached via a Belt will drive this puppy @ 3000 rpm (50Hz). Also got 6 primary coils ready to go..I wound 2 x 8 layers per coil. first layer measures 4,6mH. Second layer 4,75mH. put the layers in series to get 18,3mH or parallel for 4,56mH. both Layers have an ohmic resistance of about 0,7 My part G has 36mH and an ohmic resistance of 1,3 Ohm's. @50hz this will be about 13 Ohm's
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Post by cornboy on Dec 9, 2019 14:38:28 GMT -6
Skyrob, great job pressing the curve in those thick bars, will be a lot easier to machine now, look forward to your build.
Peter, glad to see you back building again, nice job, i hope to be back soon too.
Regards Cornboy.
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Post by Marathonman on Dec 10, 2019 0:04:03 GMT -6
Yes he will have to machine them as the brush will jump like a school girl in a candy store. Peter; i was looking over your pics in my email, nice job on the 3D. hopefully you can match it up with a good core and get a good signal.
MM
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