This thread is dedicated to the 1932 Coutier device pronounced Coutiay. i have done some research into this device and it shows promise. any member wanting to add to this device research is more then welcome to participate.
The device consists of a central core with an area equal to the six surrounding satellite cores. with the central core powered by AC each of the six satellite core pick up the flux form the center core as per the area of the core. each central core and satellite core have the same amount of winding's as to pick up the same voltage and amperage which is then paralleled to attain the desired output. if one has 120 volts 1 amp powering the central core then each of the satellite cores pick up 120 volts 1 amp of potential which is then paralleled to achieve 6 amp at 120 volts.
this scenario is then repeated in order to attain your desired output with a small percentage used to feed back to the starting supply. the use of batteries were employed to maintain the system in case of power disruption of the device to enable it to immediately restart it's self. since this device was made so long ago and has a multi vibrator to achieve AC from DC i am sure the possibility of another exciting system can be managed.
as time moves forward i will steadily add to this thread. below is the actual device as presented to the patent office.
Post by Marathonman on Sept 6, 2019 17:17:34 GMT -6
It would seem to me that if someone had some extra core lying around a few simple tests would show results. heck if i had four one inch x one inch cores i would test it myself as i have 2.25 x 2.25 center core at the house right now. my platter is full right now with the Figuera device but i have always wanted to give this patent a go.
seems an efficient sine wave inverter would do the job of DC to AC to power the center core. MM
Post by Marathonman on Sept 8, 2019 13:10:37 GMT -6
Seems like the overall device is simple enough to test and employ. it uses the feed back to a rheostat to limit the current fore which a power resistor can be used, through a step down transformer, to feed the starting transformer which is controller with by some type of electromagnetic relay switch that keeps the battery full in case of any power disruption it can then immediately restart as the relay is kept open to the battery during running. i am just wondering if the use of a power resistor to a step down transformer to a bridge rectifier to caps then to a sine wave inverter would be efficient enough to keep this thing doing. the best would to be just keep this as close to the patent as possible but an adjustable power resistor is way cheaper than a high power rheostat. again it is all about conserving the potential in the system avoiding waste at all times.
the patent talks about saturating the cores but this is something to avoid as saturating the core would flatten the AC signal thus the output is reduced. through my research on electricity especially AC one needs to avoid saturation.
Post by Marathonman on Sept 9, 2019 20:12:02 GMT -6
the core basics is according to the patent a center core with a core area equal to all six satellite cores with i imagine some head room operating right at the bottom of the knee curve. the cores are also the same length with the exact same coil count as to get a one to one transfer of 120 volts and 1 amp each or the voltage of your country. with the center core being much larger it will produce enough flux for the 6 satellites distributed equally. they are then paralleled into 120 volts 6 amp to the next central core which needs to be wound with less winding's as to account for the 6 amps as to not saturate, operating in the same knee of the curve. wind the satellite core the exact same winding count as the central core as so to pick up 6 amp 120 volts each.
the same procedure for the next core will be the exact same scenario which will end up with 120 volts 210 amps. each time the winding count drops for the central core it drops for the satellites also which raises the current in each set.
iron acts as a current amplifier so when there is an high intensity electrical storms transformers over amp and blow up so yes i believe this device amplifies current with the iron cores present. with this amount of amperage after the coils leave the core it will have to be shuttled on a buss bar that can handle the current flow just like a transformer does with larger cables as it leaves the core.
this is how i see it as it is just my outlook or first take on this device. if i have mad a wrong assumption please feel free to chime in as this site information is for all.
Post by Marathonman on Sept 13, 2019 12:14:07 GMT -6
Since the patent was either tampered with or as you already know gave very little else in the way of identifying the other parts of the system i wonder if there is an efficient way to recreate a sine wave at 120 volts 1 amp or so. i have thought of a pure sine wave inverter but they are not very efficient. even though, dropping the feed with a step down transformer to bridge diode to a cap bank then to a sine wave inverter seems like it might work as long as the current can be controlled to an amp or two. that way you can power the larger center core with one amp just like the patent.
Last Edit: Sept 14, 2019 21:55:02 GMT -6 by Marathonman
Post by Marathonman on Sept 17, 2019 12:26:25 GMT -6
If you start with materials that have known amount of flux like a transformer with lamination's you can use the total core va or wattage rating and divide that by the weight, it will give you the rating per lb of material or even taken down to the watts per inch. you can then calculate the center core with the six outer cores to match added together. knowing the lbs per watts you can weigh the cores and calculate fairly close to the output of the cores them selves. a lot of the times you can even reuse the original coil winding's or rewind it with the exact loop count to match the original.
another key is to have the satellite cores the same winding count as the center core that way it picks up the same voltage and current being the same then you just parallel them which keeps the voltage the same but adds the current by how ever many satellite cores you have. the flux from the center core will travel from one end to the other irregardless of whether the satellite are in place or not. so by placing them in the flux path they will offer a better path of lower resistance then that of air. another good key is make sure the satellite cores are exact copies of each other in order to have the same capacity of flux through them.
Post by Marathonman on Sept 27, 2019 21:22:14 GMT -6
I personally think the main key to this device is preserving the exciting potential just like the Figuera device where there is no waste in the system or very little there of. i always hear people run their mouths crying it just a transformer so it can not be ou or even their is no such thing as ou. what kills me is these self appointed know it all's were taught by the very same people under the thumb of the Elite that controls the entire educational system which have their hands tied to what they can and cannot teach. besides the facts that man knows absolutely nothing of the real workings of the universe so how in hell can some self appointed know it all sit there and tell me it can't happen. this actually happened to me not long ago. i laughed in his face and told him he knows shit about electricity except what your Corporate mocking bird professor taught you to mimic. poly want a cracker. the entire room but out laughing and mocking bird stomped out the room.
every electric device on earth is a pressure driven, regulated system that uses Eather pressure to power our devices. electric devices do not work until the electric pressure (Kinetic energy)is built up to the point of rotation which is extremely fast to us yet sill took a finite time to build up pressure. their is also no positive or negative ANYWHERE in our universe, there is only differences in Eather pressures that flow from high to low. a south charges into a higher pressures north discharges into lower pressures. a magnetic device is a double pump system as it charges and discharges with the same rotation. observe the rotation of each end which will be opposite yet from above looking down they SPIN the same direction. they are mutual rotating centripetal, centrifugal forces in the same direction, ie... charge, discharge.
all Over Unity devices have one thing in common, they preserve the exciting potential even the Coutier device.
Post by Marathonman on Oct 1, 2019 13:27:34 GMT -6
Where Patric got his Hysteresis curve in PJK Book i have no idea as it is completely wrong concerning soft iron used in the Coutier device. below is his graph and the second is the real Hysteresis graph of pure iron. notice in the second graph how very little current increase it takes for the flux density to skyrocket. the third graph is laminated silicon iron with less than 3% silicon. this is probably why this device and FIguera used soft iron before lamination were really popular. it is to bad pure soft iron lamination's are not available as that would be the best of the best of both worlds. but since the powers that control this country and many others do not want that to happen.
I'm glad I finally discovered Marathonman's new forum and it's also a thread with the Coutier device. I know the content of the patent very well and I want to make a first level of satellite coils + central core to see how it behaves electrically (which are the losses, correct sizing etc.). All the best. EmilP
Post by Marathonman on Oct 28, 2019 13:25:33 GMT -6
I had no way to contact you to let you know. glad you found my hidaway and welcome aboard. i am glad also to the fact that we really do need people to pursue this device as the overall concept is or seams rather simple. pic is of core size in relation to each other.
We found in the pdf from Vladimir Utkin "Nikola Tesla secrets for everybody" on chapter "Secret 4 - Current amplification", in which the experiment with 5 pcs. E transformers connected in parallel obtained a COP of 4, so the losses were 20%. At the short circuit of the satellites there was a change of the primary coil impedance of only 3%. The principle is the same, except that the Coutier device is better, being radially organized, closing the flow from the primary coil through the satellites. That reinforced my belief that the Coutier device is correct. The 2 pages from this pdf: Vladimir Utkins Free-Energy Secrets - March....pdf (198.75 KB) I think Coutier was also inspired by Tesla's work, but he developed the idea: On one level the current is gathering and the levels are multiplying.
Post by Marathonman on Oct 29, 2019 10:42:57 GMT -6
Yes, very good PDF as i have downloaded that several years ago which i keep in a Tesla folder. Tesla might have been somewhat influential but i think Hubbard had more of an influence here as the devices have many similarities in which Hubbard was influenced by Tesla.
Iron is the key in all of man's devices. iron is an amplifier of current as i have known this for years during my studies of electrical storms and the effects on transformers in Canada and Alaska. the electrical storms causes the transformers magnetic fields to jump to saturation over amping the transformers causing them to blow. in many cases in those huge monster transformers double and triple the current was reported to occur making things go boom.
i have always thought of the Coutier device to actually work. there was never a doubt in my mind as with the Figuera device.
the Coutier device takes advantage of the fact that the magnetic field is 3 dimensional emanating from the ends of the electromagnet which allows the device to be induced the entire circumference of the central primary core. anything in this 3D mushroom shaped magnetic field will be induced irregardless of it's position around the circumference.
since sine wave devices were not invented yet, more than likely a Mallory multivibrator was uses for the sine wave or at least a major influence in the production of the sine wave. a step down isolation transformer and an inverter could quite possibly fit the bill for conversion, sine wave production and excitement at 1 amp with voltage of your country. the blue prints are plain as day.