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Post by Marathonman on Oct 30, 2019 8:53:05 GMT -6
My suggestion would be to use a self oscillating inverter circuit fed from the feedback through an isolation step down transformer. that way the device starts immediately upon powering. of course it could be made to limit the current of the circuit. looking on line their are numerous ways to approach this with solid state with self oscillating capabilities. i personally think a self oscillator inverter circuit would be better than that of a full blow inverter but only if good efficiency can be attained. if not an inverter with good efficiency would fit the bill paired with a step down transformer.
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Post by emilp on Oct 31, 2019 3:13:33 GMT -6
At Hubbard the satellites are connected in series while at Coutier in parallel. In all the replications of the Hubbard device its operation failed. So there is something that the world does not know and has made various assumptions ... In the calculation of magnetic flux and induction, the Coutier device respects all calculations with the existing formulas.
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Post by emilp on Oct 31, 2019 21:00:42 GMT -6
I already have inverters, batteries, charging controller in the hydro system that produces about 1kw-1.2kw. In this case, the Coutier device will work great for me.
All the best.
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Post by Marathonman on Nov 1, 2019 10:46:29 GMT -6
This is good Emil, now all you will need is a step down transformer and some cores to the correct portions in the patent. a word or advice thought, i would not tear your working hydro system apart to build this device. get another inverter while still being able use your working one. can't live without power as winter is coming.
agreed, Coutier device seems completely plausible and very much calculable within know parameters. this and the fact that even though the patent does not reveal all it exposes enough to calculate the rest to attain a working device. as we have discussed in the past the central core will be X times in surface area as the X amount of satelite cores combined. (unsaturated)
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Post by emilp on Nov 2, 2019 4:00:50 GMT -6
Thanks for the tips.
The Coutier device can be developed with the 230V power supply. If I fit up to 300w as consumption, it can remain on the hydro system as power in the beginning phase.
Only in the second phase, if I get enough power, I will return the circuit, replacing the turbine.
All the best.
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Post by Marathonman on Nov 2, 2019 17:41:45 GMT -6
This is a good thing Emil. I would suggest to limit the primary core to 1 amp that way to have 230 watts for the center core. you can then series/parallel your winding's like that of the Figuera primaries to attain your desired magnetic flux on the primary core. please remember that saturation will be your enemy as any saturation will flatten the wave coming out of the cores so your goal is to attain a nice clean wave. i think even a one length coil will achieve what you want since it is powered by 230 volts.
a closed core inductor can be used to limit the amperage to 1 amp by the same inductive reactance as the Figuera device. if you try to use a high power resistor it will waste a lot of power through heat and may pose a problem. the use of an inductor will easily control the current flow between the central core and the inverter with an inductance equal to 230 ohms. this way no power is wasted and the chances of self sustaining are increased.
an Inductor will also be a good safety mechanism for any such spikes or accidents of short circuits ect..ect. that way not only will it maintain one amp needed but also protect the system. you can also think along the lines as a saturable reactor or mag amp as they to can control or limit the amount of current flowing through them. both can be controlled by 12 volt system.
PS. what is the supply voltage of your inverters.
Regards, Marathonman
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Post by emilp on Nov 3, 2019 2:08:43 GMT -6
My inverter is a Schneider-Electric 4024 Germany of 3.8kw at 24v, the controller is Midnite Classic 250v - USA, and 4 pcs. 6v 480Ah acid batteries connected in series - Rolls Canada. In "Float" mode - 26.3v. In "Absorb + Bulk" mode - 28.8v. In "Equalize" mode - 29.8v. Controller and inverter can each be controlled via the internet with a computer or phone.
Will the magnetic close flux coil be mounted in series or parallel to the primary coil at the first level? I thought about using 2 satellite core lengths to avoid saturation (which is given by a certain current / quantity of iron).
All the best. EmilP
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Post by Marathonman on Nov 3, 2019 11:07:38 GMT -6
Nice little system there Emil, Schneider-Electric makes very good equipment unfortunately are very over priced.
That would be in series with the first central core. parallel would not control the current. using a small toroid would fit the bill for that. i am not sure what you mean by that second statement. just make sure you have a little headroom in the cores to avoid saturation.
word of advice, anything connected to the internet is in danger of getting hacked. so that means when the system is up and running producing free energy you will be vulnerable to opposing forces. i would use a land line connected to a computer separately and not any wifi of any kind unless you know for certain you can lock it down tight. even then it has been proven that Intel chips have a mini operating system within them which allows for lan connection access even if you have your computer turned off. they can access even your hard drives when turned off also planting bug software to spy if you are considered a threat of any sort.
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Post by emilp on Nov 4, 2019 4:24:55 GMT -6
In Europe, Schneider-Electric is not as expensive as in the USA, but it is not cheap, it is a professional equipment. It has all kinds of protections for connected consumers. The hydro system run from december 2015.
I guess the extra coil you talked about is a so-called "shock coil" that takes over the current shocks when connecting or disconnecting consumers.
I have 200w and 300w toroidal transformers. I think the 300w is ok if I insert it into the primary coil connection.
I will test saturation by short-circuiting the output of the Coutier transformer as soon as I measure the current and voltage in primary coil. As far as I know, this is how the transformers are tested (the current in the primary coil when running empty and in short circuit in a few seconds).
I make the cores from the MOT transformers, by cutting the central part. At the iron core of the satellite I will put 2 lengths of 5.5 cm with the square section of 3x3cm. At 230v I will have less current than 110v but I will have double number of turns and I want to have as few winding levels.
I will test with 4 satellites in the first stage.
All the best.
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Post by Marathonman on Nov 4, 2019 9:14:05 GMT -6
Yes, the 300w sounds good, the coil with AC flowing will limit the current like Figuera part G does except actually using AC. it needs to be wound with an equivalent Inductive Reactance of 230 ohms. it will limit the current flow and also help with inrush current when the unit is turned on. use an on line calc too if needed to get diameter squared that way you can be within the ball park on your correct ratio of center core to satellite core @ 4 to 1 ratio. using 4 satellites your central core needs to be 4 times larger in size. 18 to 20 awg wire sounds good for your first group of core center and satellites then connect that to 13 to 15 awg for the next set. overprovisioning the wire is good underprovisioning is not good and can lead to overheating of the wire so plan accordingly.
the mots you use needs to have the same amount of turns as the original coil had that way you get the winding count right and not saturate core. going with a known core limit helps with the building or recoiling. you are off to a good start and i am very confident this project will turn out just fine.
regards, Marathonman
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Post by emilp on Nov 4, 2019 14:13:17 GMT -6
Yes, the satellites have a section of 3x3 cm (1.18x1.18 inches) and the central core has a section of 6x6cm (2.36x2.36 inches) and all the lengths are 11cm (4.33 inches). They close with yokes with the same section as the satellites, so that the magnetic flux is uniform. For the first level I wired awg 17 (it was ok awg 18, but this I already have), for level 2 I already have awg 13. I'm glad I thought the same way. For level 3, I have 2 identical transformers from 380v-220v of 5kw type U, taken from "second hand". I will take down the 380v winding, I will paste the transformers laterally and I will wind in the middle the primary coil of the transformer with double section like the 2 satellites that are already winded. I want to use awg wire 9. Is that correct? But it all starts with the first level...
All the best. EmilP
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Post by Marathonman on Nov 4, 2019 15:30:35 GMT -6
Yes i agree it all starts with the first level so the concentration or focus should be that, the rest will fall into place when time is due. ah, good you have cores lines up, very good forward thinking. i almost forgot, the inductor will cause the voltage to lead the current or otherwise current to lag voltage by 90 degrees so the use of an AC capacitor across the the two wires should bring it back into phase. it doesn't have to be very big as the first center core is only 1 amp. all the attaching satellites will be attached to the next section thicker wires that way all paralleled will end on a thicker wire for the next center core and satellite pairs. i will post graph to help you out.  actually all can handle much more than stated. most wire was very down rated not just for safety reasons but for financial gain mostly. with 4 satellites you end up with 64 amp at 230 volts minus the conversion and feedback potential used to excite the original center core. PS. the wire sizes can be changed to a lower awg rating as these are just what Emil has on hand. most standard ratings of the wire can be lower in a coil situation then attached to a larger lead wire like that of a standard transformer leads. Regards, Marathonman
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Post by Marathonman on Nov 5, 2019 14:51:35 GMT -6
Also remember to factor in the efficiency of the inverter when calculating the needed potential for the step down transformer and the continuous inverter supply to maintain excitation.
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Post by emilp on Nov 7, 2019 10:39:13 GMT -6
The efficiency of the inverter is 92% and for step down transformer is usually 80%. The Midnite Classic 250 CL controller works with a DC input in the 30v-250v range. It works in both Solar and Hydro mode. It is MPPT controller, for Hydro it is the best in the residential field. The Powerspout LH250 turbine generator (from New Zealand) straightens with a 100A bridge in variable DC current and plugs into the controller, with dynamic overvoltage protection (> 250v). The controller is connected to the 24v battery pack. Basically, it should not be a step down transformer but only a rectifier bridge, or I can use the one from the turbine. The transformer has more purpose of electrical isolation of the systems. However, the power of the system is a lot of cover, and it greatly simplifies the scheme.
All the best. EmilP
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Post by Marathonman on Nov 25, 2019 9:59:21 GMT -6
How are the cores coming along Emil, good i hope. MM
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