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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:37:43 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 31 January 2018   Sure is a big difference between a massive block of iron spinning and one that is not, by aligning the core up at all times allows a much higher output with very little losses. graphs are just for shits and grins but give one a visual comparison of the two systems. Marathonman |
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:38:32 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 01 February 2018
Inductance is a property of an electrical conductor which opposes a change in current. It does that by storing and releasing energy from a magnetic field surrounding the conductor when current flows, according to Faraday's law of induction. When current rises, energy (as magnetic flux) is stored in the field, reducing the current and causing a drop in potential (i.e, a voltage) across the conductor; when current falls, energy is released from the field supplying current and causing a rise in potential across the conductor.
These effects are derived from two fundamental observations of physics: a steady current creates a steady magnetic field described by Oersted's law and a time-varying magnetic field induces an electromotive force (EMF) in nearby conductors, which is described by Faraday's law of induction. According to Lenz's law a changing electric current through a circuit that contains inductance induces a proportional voltage, which opposes the change in current (self-inductance).
A current flowing through a conductor generates a magnetic field around the conductor, which is described by Ampere's circuital law. The total magnetic flux through a circuit is equal to the product of the magnetic field and the area of the surface spanning the current path. If the current varies, the magnetic flux through the circuit changes. By Faraday's law of induction, any change in flux through a circuit induces an electromotive force (EMF) or voltage v in the circuit, proportional to the rate of change of flux. thus the surface area in the circuit path in Figuera part G changes dynamically as the brush rotates varying the currant on both sides of the brush since the north opposing fields keep them separate they will act as two independent inductors but in complete unison.
The negative sign in the equation indicates that the induced voltage is in a direction which opposes the change in current that created it; this is called Lenz's law. The potential is therefore called a back EMF. If the current is increasing, the voltage is positive at the end of the conductor through which the current enters and negative at the end through which it leaves, tending to reduce the current. If the current is decreasing, the voltage is positive at the end through which the current leaves the conductor, tending to maintain the current. Self-inductance, usually just called inductance, is the ratio between the induced voltage and the rate of change of the current. in the Figuera part G we actually have no pole reversal as the opposing magnetic field keeps them separate but the process is still taking place as currant in an inductor when releasing will always travel in the original direction to maintain currant flow.
So therefore inductance is also proportional to how much energy is stored in the magnetic field for a given current. This energy is stored as long as the current remains constant. If the current decreases, the magnetic field will decrease, inducing a voltage in the conductor in the opposite direction, negative at the end through which current enters and positive at the end through which it leaves. This will return stored magnetic energy to the external circuit in which can be considered as a short term battery feeding the system each half rotation of the brush.
a variable Y (Currant) is said to increase or decrease linearly with another variable X (Magnetic Field) if every increase or decrease of a fixed amount in X (Windings and Core Material) results in another fixed increase or decrease in Y. In terms of a graph, the relationship is a straight line of currant increase or decease.
If y tends to increase linearly as x decreases, the variables are linearly correlated. If y tends to decrease linearly as x increases, the variables are linearly correlated.
When an inductor operates in continuous mode, as in the Figuera device, the current through the inductor never falls to zero just like the primaries. a certain amount of field is always present as reducing this magnetic field to zero will take to long to build up thus induction in the primaries would loose coherency reducing the output to the rising electromagnet. since the whole objective is an orderly rise and fall of a specific amount of currant the inductor is only reduced to get the reducing electromagnet to clear the secondary then increase as the other side is reduced.
Inductance, L is actually a measure of an inductors “resistance” to the change of the current flowing through the circuit and the larger is its value in Henries, the lower will be the rate of current flow. thus in the Figuera part G we have a constant rise and fall of magnetic resistance which correlates to a steady rise and fall of currant flow in the primaries.
again feel free to ask any questions that come to mind.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:39:11 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 01 February 2018
Quote; from original replicator,
"The Y is a reference to a space with out movement of it's own having two fields move over the space. The force between the two fields pushing against each other is the analog form of using one high intensity field being rotated with a physical core. the force between the two increases the lines of the fields which determines the amount of induction as each of the two fields are shifted to cover the Y as the other retreats without losing the overall force between the two fields. If ether of the two fields collapse to much the compression of the two is lost and the output will fall off to the rising electromagnet. this very fact is the reason why the coherency between the primaries needs to be maintained as the loss of compression results in loss of E field coherency between the primaries thus reduced induction."
here is a tidbit on transformers and generators.
Transformers only use a single field to which it is converted up or down or used to isolate the mains from the load in case of a short on the load side. thus the primary are susceptible to Hysteresis and Eddy currants from the secondary.
A generator using the field, increases it's field strength by using the output to feed back into the field to generate more output until it is generating more output then the combined load of the field and the working external circuit. since the secondary (rotor) is swept through the magnetic field of the primary (Stator) the Hysteresis and Eddy currants in the primaries are nonexistent but are in the secondary and then the lenz law rear's it's ugly head.
I hope this can ring true for the readers.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:40:12 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 02 February 2018
Statement from (sparky) Floyd Sweet
This very statement from a master tells me what i have been saying for quite some time now, aside from the power used to initialize the polarization of the secondary and the initialization of the primary fields brought to a steady state, very little power is used in the process of sweeping the fields across the secondary. once brought to a steady state, currant will pass as though it was a straight piece of wire as the magnetic field intensity are at their highest point thus the only currant used is in the replacement of the reduced primary magnetic field to full state which is small as they retain 80 to 90% of their magnetic field and losses from which is replaced by the secondary loop back. at no time is power used in the excitation of the primaries transferred to the secondaries except for the initial polarization of the secondary thus the two systems part ways and the primaries become the motive force that exerts motion onto Y provided Y is a closed circuit with resistance of it's own.
Since a Magnetic Field Changing in Time is a requirement for Electromagnetic Induction we have the Figuera device doing just that, two independent electromagnets decreasing and increasing just enough to clear the secondary both opposing but compressing the field lines. these bucking field are the exact thing Chris is working on except the fact that Chris is completely reducing a primary and in the Figuera device we are not.
thus the change in the field no matter how small will produce induction and since we are using two electromagnets in unison we end up with square of the two or four times the output.
Figuera had the device working in his house and supposably it was fairly small yet put out a fantastic amount of power near 20 kilowatts.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:41:06 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 04 February 2018
Confusion, Confusion and more Confusion.
It seams their is some confusion about the patent wording. in the patent it says when one electromagnet is full the other is empty. while this is all fine and dandy in reality it can not happen and here is why.
if the whole objective is to get the highest possible inductance to the secondary from the primaries then why would someone reduce a primary so low that induction is lost. by reducing a primary to zero the pressure is lost between the primaries thus inductance is substantially reduce to just the rising electromagnet. if in the process of reducing the electromagnet to just clear the secondary then back up again to peak potential you will retain 80 to 90% of the magnetic field that is being used to induce the secondary in which will require much less currant to bring the electromagnet back to full potential.
if in the process of reduction the electromagnet is reduced passed half way or to zero the time it takes to bring the magnetic field to full potential is far grater than the time it takes to just reduce it to 80 to 90 %. this is the main reason why AC can not be used as induction is lost from the speed of the rising electromagnet being to slow since it has to overcome the resistance of the wire plus the flipping of the magnetic domains . since the whole objective is induction to the secondary why would you reduce it to zero when you don't have to thus keeping the fields at maximum potential equates to the highest output possible. even in the process of reducing and increasing the electromagnet very little you will still get induction as per Faraday and Maxwell equations but since the electromagnetic fields are at their maximum so will be the induction. thus the output of the Figuera device will be many orders of magnitude higher than that of a standard generator.
since complete unison of the primaries is required in the Figuera device he came up with a solution to not only keep the primaries in unison but to also reuse the power running through it. part G the controller regulator is an inductor being like a cross between a magamp and a variac. when the brush rotates around the core each side of the brush will act as independent inductors adding or subtracting winding's that are magnetically linking to the circuit. as the individual magnetic fields rise and fall, currant will be reduced or increased from the magnetic field opposition. bemf from this field reduces currant flow so as more winding's are added to the circuit more currant reduction takes place thus the reverse is happening on the other side of the brush as less winding's equate to less opposition to currant flow.
in the process of reducing the primaries being pushed out of the secondaries, a EMF is produced and fed into part G thus combining with the reducing inductor EMF will cause an amplification to the rising electromagnet. since the the rising side of the inductor is storing a magnetic field for the next half cycle of reduction there will be a drop in potential across the inductor thus the two previous mentioned sources of potential will cause an increased potential to the rising electromagnet offsetting the drop.
since the part G controls the currant why would anyone wind the primaries to have resistance high enough to control currant when that is the job of part G. by winding the electromagnets specifically as electromagnets will allow them to achieve their intended goal to produce a magnetic field. the added bonus of winding them this way is the response time of the electromagnets are increased substantially from lower resistance and self inductance allowing them to respond to the rise and fall of currant in a timely manor.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:42:44 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 05 February 2018  Another problem people are having as i once did is the amount of windings on part G. the whole key to currant reduction is the magnetic interaction with the winding next to it that is the cause of self induction in the first place ie (magnetic linking). one person used 20 to 40 winds on his part G and stated that that will not work period. so months later after i was tagged as missinformed, latter to only find out the winding count was way, way to low to oppose the currant in the first place. the whole reason people are not getting good output is the fact that they are either not keeping their primaries in sink, reducing them to far or not reducing them enough which is the most logical issue and cause. in the picture above the top graph is where most people are reducing their primaries shown in RED. by reducing to little you are not utilizing enough of the secondary exposing to little of the E field and this will cause extremely reduced output. the bottom graph is the ideal area shown in BLUE that will create an E field that spans the entire secondary. you must sweep your primaries with enough reduction in currant to clear the secondary then back up to full potential otherwise you will get squat for an output. this is one of the keys in getting a proper output and miss matched primaries are another as they need to be mirror images of each other for balance. Marathonman |
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:43:12 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 06 February 2018
In a standard generator you have the power (DC) to the inducers on at all times in which you would think it uses a lot of power but if you did you would be mistaken. as per the post on Sparky Sweet once the field of the electromagnet is brought up to working conditions the currant to the inducers just passes by as if it were a straight piece of wire. this is because once the field is established, it can not hold any more in the field per the amount of currant so the currant draw on the inducers is reduced to that of just the IR2 losses from the wire to maintain the field needed. since there is residual magnetism in the inducers it does not require flashing of the inducers to get a magnetic field to produce power once rotated. rotating the rotor through the magnetic fields causes a increase and decrease of magnetic flux as per Faraday's laws of induction.
In the Figuers device we have the exact same thing except the flashing has to take place every time it is shut off and restarted. again once the field of the inducers are brought up to working conditions the power used to create the magnetic field is reduced to the currant used to maintain the magnetic field which is the IR2 losses.
since we do not have a rotating rotor how are we to get motion into the secondary when the secondary and the primaries are stationary. you move the magnetic field presented to the secondaries which causes induction as per Faraday's laws of induction. by manipulating the currant in the primary you cause the magnetic field to increase then decrease in strength which is the exact very thing as a standard generator. the only difference is once the secondary creates a opposing field to the first there is no way to bring it back to the other side once you push the opposing field across the E field. so Figuera put another inducer on the opposite side of the secondary to push that field back across the E field to the opposite side of the secondary. in doing said action one of the primaries has to be reduced and one increased to get full motion across the secondary but in doing so the reducing primaries E field is reversed to match that of the rising electromagnets E field causing the square of the two or four time the output.
you only reduce the primary to just clear the secondary then back up to full potential reducing the opposite primary at the same time. by keeping the primaries in complete unison the power from the output will rise very rapidly producing a substantial amount of power from a small device. this operation uses very little power to fluctuate the field back and fourth just like a standard generator except the fact that in the standard geny you are rotating a HUGE mass of iron through the north and south fields with MASSIVE LENZING EFFECT and in the Figuera device you are fluctuating the weightless massless field back and fourth only replacing the power of the reducing electromagnet to full potential which is very minute plus standard losses from wire and heat.
so on that note i will leave it to your imagination as to which one produces the most output compared to it's required input.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:44:24 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 06 February 2018
If the readers want to try the Figuera concept in the video at the start of this post i have some suggestion that can be performed at your home to prove the validity of the opposing fields.
Take a magnet and glue or tape it securely it to a paint stick then tape that stick to a sawzall or any reciprocating device. take a small coil mounted to another stick or what ever you have and place it to be non moving. with a galvanometer attached to your coil reciprocate the magnet about one to two inches from the coil recording the output. now take the other magnet and attach it to the other side of the magnet leaving room so the reciprocating action does not hit the coil. with two opposing magnets reciprocating it then record your output. you will find that you have twice the deflection as one magnet a lone.
you can even use two electromagnets attached to the same stick with the same output.
in your efforts you just duplicated the Figuera device and the William Hooper table top experiment he did in front of many, many people proving the validity of the opposing magnetic fields.
Congratulation your on your way to building the Figuera device. thus are light years ahead of most sites.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:45:04 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 07 February 2018
I to had the same problems when i tried it. after a few tries i figured it was a geometry problem also but with the magnetic fields not the magnet or coil it's self. i soon realized that the magnetic field of a magnet will not extend past the actual length of the magnet itself. so i took my field pole tester and measured out until the light on the tester went out and low and behold the field was as long as the magnet it self. so i adjusted the magnets accordingly to act as that of the Figuera device just clearing the coil the back to the other side and this was a success. double of that of a single magnet.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:45:31 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 07 February 2018
Another thing to consider is there has to be compression at the collision point of the magnetic fields where the magnetic field lines have to be compressed. i found that using small magnets i was not able to do this so i ordered 1x2 neo's to preform the test with much better results. since the extension of the magnetic field from the magnet was two inches per magnet i was able to adjust with proper compression and still had room to play with.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:46:01 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 07 February 2018
The coil in a standard generator passes through a magnetic field and it never gets the electromagnet shoved into it so i don't see where you are coming from.
In the Figuera device the magnetic field is outside of the primary core so all induction is taking place in the secondary where both primary field are colliding. there is no need to stick the magnet into the coil as that tells me your magnets might be to small or to week for the test.
Figuera did not flip a thing, he simply used two opposing magnetic fields and varied their currant up and down with the secondary in between them.
The amount of pressure between the magnets or electromagnets is directly related to the amount of output you will get.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:46:25 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 08 February 2018
From a trusted source it was calculated that the pressure between the primaries to be at 14.8 lb per 1 kilowatt of output then that output can be divided between how ever many sets you have or want to work with or the pressure you are comfortable in working with.
meaning the pressure between the primary magnetic fields is related to the amount of line of force present between the both of them which directly correlate to the intensity of the E field presented to the secondary remembering both primaries add up to the output you are shooting for from your secondaries.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:46:46 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 11 February 2018
It is very crucial to maintain the pressure between the primaries as both contribute half of the required field presented to the secondary. the amount of pressure between the primaries is the same as a high intensity field of a standard geny so if the field pressure drops so does the output. if the pressure between the primaries are increased so does the field line as they are compressed together and as such when the electromagnet that is reducing the E field is reversed to match that of the rising electromagnet. the amount of field lines is directly related to the intensity of the E field presented to the secondary.
if you do not reduce your primaries enough the E field presented to the secondaries will be small thus the output will also be small. if you reduce the primaries to much the pressure between them will drop to low and the output will drop to that of just the rising electromagnet.
as you see it is very crucial to just reduce the primaries to just clear the secondary as the other is rising as that will maintain the required pressure between them all while retaining 80 to 90 % the overall magnetic field thus requires much less currant to maintain the magnetic fields as opposed to taking them down to zero. which will require much more currant and the time it takes to build up the field plowing through the resistance and flipping the magnetic domains.
Marathonman
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:48:29 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 12 February 2018  If you look at the chart you will see that the lines of force required for 14.8 lbs per kilowatt is near 32,500 lines per square inch. i just added the chart so you can see that the pressure required between the electromagnet is quite intense and precautions should be taken when testing. at 14.8 lbs per kilowatt X 1500 watts is 1.5 x 14.8 = 22.2 lbs of force divided by 4 primaries = 5.55 lbs of force per primary so according to the chart that is around 20,000 lines per square inch of force per primary. in my set up i have two core pairs so each of my primaries are accountable for 5.55 lbs of force presented to the secondary and each of my secondaries will output 750 watts for a combined total of 1500 watts. you can divide the output to how ever many cores you have or the pressure you feel comfortable in working with. Marathonman |
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Post by creasysee on Aug 26, 2019 11:49:01 GMT -6
Marathonman posted this 12 February 2018
There are many reasons why Figuera separated the primaries from the secondaries and one of them is Hysteresis and Eddy currants.
the secondary outputting AC will be effected by those conditions and as a result would be a good idea to use lamination's to reduce these effects. the primary on the other hand is not effected by Hysteresis and Eddy currants as they are using DC to excite them and at no time are they reversed like the secondary. that is another reason why AC can not be used to excite the primaries. that and the fact it would take to long for the magnetic field to build up to full potential plowing through the resistance and flipping all the magnetic domains. induction would be lost from that primary thus the output would drop to the rising electromagnet.
since the primaries are just reduced in pressure to clear the secondary then back up to full potential there is no reversal of currant so there is no Hysteresis or Eddies to contend with. so by being butted up against the secondary there is little losses in magnetic field being transferred to the secondary.
another reason that that the secondaries do NOT influence the primaries in any way is the field of the primaries are in a space outside of the primary core occupied by the secondary core and it is this very fact that confuses many people that correlate this device with transformers and transformer equations. i hate to tell you this but if you do you would be incorrect. with both primaries having their own core with the secondary sandwiched in the middle Figuera eliminated the influence of the secondary to the primaries thus reducing Hysteresis and Eddies to a negligible amount.
this allows the primaries to do there intended job of being Electromagnets and the secondaries to do their job of outputting power.
in the process of reducing the primaries and being shoved out of the core at the same time from the rising electromagnet, currant is produced in the reducing primary. even though the primary is only reducing the wire see's it as reversing and produces EMF and it is this EMF that is shoved into Part G to combine with the reducing side of the inductor that is releasing the EMF from the reducing magnetic field causing an amplification from both sources off setting the rising side of part G inductor's potential drop. thus a amplified potential is presented to the rising electromagnet giving it an added boost.
each time part G rotates we have and orderly rise and fall of the inductor on both sides of the brush, one rising and one reducing in one half and in the other half the reverse takes place. each time the reducing half is reducing it along with the reducing primary's EMF produced off set that rising side of the inductor's potential drop. in the next half rotation the rising side is reducing and the reducing side is rising.
so we end up with the primaries and part G inductor's on either side of the brush having an orderly rise and fall of currant storing and releasing their magnetic fields to counter act the potential drop and at no time is the fields ever depleted just reduced to 80 to 90 % of their full potential.
so as you can see and read, part G would be VERY, VERY hard to replace with electronics as it's functions are many thus the device would be useless without it.
Marathonman
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