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Post by Marathonman on Aug 19, 2020 22:06:24 GMT -6
Remember what the late MIT grad Sparky Sweet said, when the current flows in a wire and is stored in a magnetic field it is no longer part of the energy quanta that created it. when stored then release it will travel in the same direction it was traveling in when stored yet will return to the other side of the coil from whence it was created or stored and released. so apply these terms when thinking or dealing with the secondary feed back into part G, reducing half of part G and the reducing primaries. remember part G becomes the power supply when the starting is removed and can be considered an amplifier of the signal.
Reducing set of Primaries + Reducing half of part G + Secondary feed back = AMPLIFICATION of original signal.
Regards, Marathonman
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Post by Marathonman on Aug 28, 2020 14:20:40 GMT -6
FYI, when testing your device without the secondary feed back into the system you should still see a drop in draw on the original power source feeding the device. why, because part G will be releasing stored potential back into the system when reduced which will reduce the draw on the power supply.
even a standard generator exciting system is reduced to just the I2R losses of the system as the primaries are at peak running conditions. the only reason the generator slows down or bogs down is because of the reverse torque (Len's Law) on the rotor when current is drawn from the secondaries not the draw on the primaries. *these are two different systems* the primary draw at full magnetic potential,,,ie stored into the magnetic field, will actually draw very little wattage as they can not store more into the magnetic field per the amount of current. the only draw is the I2R losses of the exciting system even though the current or pressure is still circulating in the exciting system to maintain the field, it is not being used only conserved as you will.
and yes the exact thing is happening in the Figuera device, once the primaries are up to running conditions the draw on them is reduced to just the I2R losses and the circulating pressure to maintain the field. it cost nothing to sweep the fields but a mere flicker of the rotating brush. once those fields are up to running conditions the draw is substantially reduced just like a standard generator yet no reverse torque or bogging down as there is no moving parts in the generating system just the massless, weightless field moving back and fourth.
regards, Marathonman
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Post by allanv on Aug 29, 2020 0:42:37 GMT -6
I would like to welcome our newest members snorowski who has decided to join in on the FIguera Quest. there is a lot of information here, more so then any other site on the net. please enjoy the info i have provided and if you have any questions please feel free to ask after reviewing the info. you can pm if you care to go that rout but i do prefer you ask in public as it is possible that someone else has the same questions just not asked yet. again WELCOME ABOARD. Regards, Marathonman Hi, my name is Allan and it was mentioned that some of my ideas seemed to explain the workings of the Figuera generator.
It seems it was all known in 1903.
Some of his writing has now been read and I agree. His generator looks similar to a wave winding with a commutator for switching. And the tapping on the coils look interesting as well.
I will pass on what is known from experimentation.
Some observations have been made over the years and a delving into exactly what makes a transformer work, because this explains a lot.
If DC is used to study the effects of two output windings wound together in a transformer it reveals that flux can be created of both polarities with no opposition. Set a condition where the two out put windings have a current flowing in opposite directions. The usual 240volt winding connection is not used but an anologue volt meter could be connected to see what happens to the pointer.
When the two currents flow in opposite directions in the two equal number of turns of the windings in a transformer no flux is present because the magnetic fields cancel out. If one current increases slightly greater than the other there is immediate flux created. If then this current decreases as the other increases the flux immediately changes polarity. No real energy is required to do this change but it builds the flux to some strength at the same time as voltage is maximized for the next half cycle. This is done easily with continuous DC and only by increasing and decreasing the currents in each winding. This would usually represent one half of the AC wave form so the changes in current are a 1/4 each.
You could do this now with low voltage DC, with resistors and a couple of variable ones as well. Most transformers have two equal output windings that are low resistance and 15volt ones would have about 75turns. Connect a volt meter to the i/p winding and as the variable resistors are quickly changed in turn it should show some output. Power is not usually taken from the input winding because it is the transformer action in two windings that builds the flux and voltage in both of them.
In an 80 watt transformer 50Hz 240 volt 0.333A load current only 0.9volt 0.031A DC will produce the flux. It is 1/2500 of the load power. Virtually nothing, if it is modulated in a device with two windings that are set up correctly as a driver driven situation 80 watts can be produced from 0.035Watt. In reality it needs a little more but the tendency is to over do the situation. When AC is applied certain conditions are set up that inhibit but with some thought these problems are resolved. It operates barely above residual magnetism with no current at all. There is a sticking point that needs to be understood.
What happens in a transformer?
It seems the input and output take turns at passing the larger current or AT in each half wave. Every quarter cycle the conditions change. Two windings interact together with a little tension when currents are going in opposite directions and have slightly more current than the other alternately. This changes the magnetic polarity within a half wave. Maximum current occurs with no magnetism. The flux builds as the currents are slowed down to a stop with more in one than the other at a point in time. Maximum voltage occurs with the flux as well.
A low voltage circuit can be used to pass a current in a circle through unequal turns in a 1/4 cycle to produce flux and then the currents change direction with a change in the number of turns to produce enough electric force to drive down the magnetism into the opposite polarity with increasing current.
If these currents are set by an inductor in separate circuits, a maximum of 10-15% more current can be passed through one winding than the other using a high voltage. This small current 0.2A high voltage 50-70V charges a capacitor and through 300t can produce 60AT which adds to the low voltage circuit up to 60AT = 120AT. This much flux will drive current and voltage swings in a core of large cross section.
Thanks, all the best,
Allan
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Post by Marathonman on Aug 29, 2020 14:49:44 GMT -6
Welcome our newest member allanv to the Figuera forum. there is a lot of information i have acquired over the last 6 years more so then all sites combined. please read the tech thread and if you have questions please feel free to ask away.
again welcome aboard.
Regards, Marathonman
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Post by Marathonman on Aug 29, 2020 15:04:39 GMT -6
allanv; Major problem, Figuera studied the dynamo or generator if you will, and came up with his device, even stated in the patent as fact. what he did NOT do is study a transformer or any other device using the transformer equations what so ever. if you think this device is related to a transformer you will be setting yourself up for failure immediately.
also this device does not use AC as it is so much more efficient using DC for electromagnets. even a standard generator uses DC for it's excitation. the use of AC takes way to long to flip the domains, reluctance, resistance and Lenz's Law, then by the time it starts to build up any kind of decent field the current reverses and it starts all over again. no good at all, just way to time consuming.
the Figuera device uses DC then just increases and decreases the current flow to the primaries in a very, very efficient manor using an active inductor. i wish you the best of luck in your adventure using AC but i think you are barking up the wrong tree.
although, the latter half of your post dive straight into the Tesla ring distribution patent of two output 180 degrees in quadrature. Regards, Marathonman
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Post by allanv on Aug 29, 2020 15:57:49 GMT -6
allanv; Major problem, Figuera studied the dynamo or generator if you will, and came up with his device, even stated in the patent as fact. what he did NOT do is study a transformer or any other device using the transformer equations what so ever. if you think this device is related to a transformer you will be setting yourself up for failure immediately. also this device does not use AC as it is so much more efficient using DC for electromagnets. even a standard generator uses DC for it's excitation. the use of AC takes way to long to flip the domains, reluctance, resistance and Lenz's Law, then by the time it starts to build up any kind of decent field the current reverses and it starts all over again. no good at all, just way to time consuming. the Figuera device uses DC then just increases and decreases the current flow to the primaries in a very, very efficient manor using an active inductor. i wish you the best of luck in your adventure using AC but i think you are barking up the wrong tree. Regards, Hi Marathonman,There is no need to use transformer equations and DC is used to prove that two windings acting together set up a flux without any noticeable opposition at all. The calculations done just show how little power (0.032watt) is in the link between two windings, usual input and output of 80watt. All that is seen is conductor resistance. What is required is a slight change in the DC currents in the two windings so that each one takes turn in being more. If more current flows in one winding than the other Amp Turns change slightly and a flux is produced. It can be taken to the next stage, while ampere turns are producing flux using DC in two windings. The conditions are set in the core for more magnetism if an even larger current is made to flow in one winding. The core will receive more flux than is usual. In the usual situation the transformer operates just above residual magnetism with no current at all. There is a strong counter force produced to drive down the residual field into the opposite polarity which is increased with current flow. If you feel you have all the answers necessary then I will keep quiet, but by your reply you have misunderstood or misread my first post. AC will not work in the usual sense because there are two 1/4 steps in each half cycle. All the best,Allan
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Post by allanv on Aug 29, 2020 17:09:40 GMT -6
Hi I just had a brain wave.
In some literature it reads that there is no fundamental difference between AC an DC. At any given instant of an AC wave form, you have pure DC and in a DC application there is an AC component as well, at least in power up and power down. The thought continued to realize that to get from one side of the sine wave to the other a large voltage is required to force down the flux with its opposing voltage. This is where voltage is required in AC to make an excursion from one side to the other. I have built a circuit with a triac to pulse a precisely timed high voltage onto the winding. The magnetic field, the flux is set up cheaply using two windings and then a pulse through a triggered Triac is used to reverse it. Of course Nikola Tesla did this with the spark gap and when the timing was correct it sent a high voltage pulse to change the magnetic flux polarity. That gave the output current a boost and the increase in magnetic field. Most people do not use this method these days.
Shoot me down if you want.
All the best,
Allan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 17:46:26 GMT -6
Hi Allan
The Tesla invention with “spark gap” Did work and it is No problem to replicate The only problem with this is that this system emits lots of RF noice and these days there is class as RF pollution
On CF device is cleverly used all back emf from one side of primaries into other side of primaries while emf is maintained with uninterrupted dc variable in current thanks to active inductor
There is potentially over unity in presence if all is tuned correctly
Marathon Man is over sensitive to his baby project and does not respect different vocabulary used in treads even if we mean the same
We all working on fun project and we are doing it from our free will and happy Therefore good with your project and regardless of ideas throw in in because communications are always important regardless of if it would work or not
Best regards
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Post by Marathonman on Aug 29, 2020 20:59:07 GMT -6
allenv; i am not but i must have missed the part after you quoted me as i did not see it for some reason. yes i do agree, the sum of the two DC fields will be increased. actually the square of the two fields will be four times as much as one field a lone.
referring to your next post unfortunately this device is not high voltage like any Tesla device and you are exceeding the parameters of the figuera device by a very large margin and is no where near the lines of the Figuera device. if you need somewhere to dream wild this thread is not it which is a culmination of 6 years of research and study.
skyrob; you are spot on the Figuera assessment, where did this come from.?
the vocabulary you are referring to has nothing to do with what both of you have presented so far. this isn't my baby or some wild dream i came up with. i have thousands of hours of research, study and bench work to prove all i talk about and yes i may be a little sensitive because of the people from other forums and their outlandish idea's (some completely ignorant failures) being forced on people that were seeking the truth. every one of those threads are DEFUNCT NOW because of the BS trashing the thread. misinformation and insane ideas destroyed these threads plain and simple.
I will not let this ever happen again especially on MY SITE.
Regards, Marathonman
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Post by allanv on Aug 30, 2020 1:19:22 GMT -6
Hi Allan The Tesla invention with “spark gap” Did work and it is No problem to replicate The only problem with this is that this system emits lots of RF noise and these days there is class as RF pollution On CF device is cleverly used all back emf from one side of primaries into other side of primaries while emf is maintained with uninterrupted dc variable in current thanks to active inductor There is potentially over unity in presence if all is tuned correctly Marathon Man is over sensitive to his baby project and does not respect different vocabulary used in treads even if we mean the same We all working on fun project and we are doing it from our free will and happy Therefore good with your project and regardless of ideas throw in in because communications are always important regardless of if it would work or not Best regardsHi, Over sensitivity could be just focus and trying to maintain direction. I have realized that I am a bit overdone with the lockdown situation imposed by the government's response to the virus, and need to lighten up. There has been a lot of isolation over 6 months. While it was fresh on my mind the thought was if the understanding of the experimenting is explained correctly it may help in some way.Understanding Figuera could take a while but it is interesting enough. There is definitely free energy possible. The magnetic link between two windings in an 80watt transformer is only 0.032watt with DC and this is 1/2500th of the 80 watts. Surely there must be something there. All the best, Allan
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Post by allanv on Aug 30, 2020 1:39:36 GMT -6
allenv;i am not but i must have missed the part after you quoted me as i did not see it for some reason. yes i do agree, the sum of the two DC fields will be increased. actually the square of the two fields will be four times as much as one field a lone. referring to your next post unfortunately this device is not high voltage like any Tesla device and you are exceeding the parameters of the figuera device by a very large margin and is no where near the lines of the Figuera device. if you need somewhere to dream wild this thread is not it which is a culmination of 6 years of research and study. skyrob;you are spot on the Figuera assessment, where did this come from.? the vocabulary you are referring to has nothing to do with what both of you have presented so far. this isn't my baby or some wild dream i came up with. i have thousands of hours of research, study and bench work to prove all i talk about and yes i may be a little sensitive because of the people from other forums and their outlandish idea's (some completely ignorant failures) being forced on people that were seeking the truth. every one of those threads are DEFUNCT NOW because of the BS trashing the thread. misinformation and insane ideas destroyed these threads plain and simple. I will not let this ever happen again especially on MY SITE. Regards, Marathonman Hi, I had the eureka moment when it occurred to me that to get from the + to the - on the sine wave hi voltage is needed. Of course the Figuera device would only require low voltage to move relatively large currents because it uses DC. This is known to work but electronics were used. I have been working on different ideas since 1978 but with electric power so cheap an FE device was back on the list. But the power system is not secure.
Distractions are not on my agenda. All the best, Allan
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Post by Marathonman on Aug 30, 2020 11:14:14 GMT -6
The sad thing about humans is they are so easily fooled it is not funny, then when someone speaks the truth they are looked at like a conspiracy theorist or a wacko.
see people now a days are not taught to use their brain to think and our Governments and Corporations have decided to do the thinking for you. they have placed this very pretty bubble of glossed over BS to hide their wrong doing that make people see something and automatically assume face value instead of doing some deductive reasoning and or research to prove otherwise.
this has to do with EVERYTHING including the Figuera device especially the 1908 patent. a person with deductive reasoning "skills" would automatically read the patent that states "the drawing is drawn in it's elementary manor to facilitate the comprehension of the device" then use deductive reasoning and resources available at that time frame to pinpoint the exact method used by Figuera.
i have built a small device in the past that used resistive wire and i can tell you from experience it got very hot in a short time and wasted a lot of potential in the form of heat. since i concluded that wire resistance is NOT the way to go (Figuera included) with the potential lost completely through heat (non recoverable) i looked into other forms of so called resistance. this is of course the path that lead me to magnetic resistance or rather inductive reactance which is the opposition to the original current flow.
with an inductor and a moving positive brush, the winding count is always changing per each side of the brush as is the self inductance or inductive reactance which is increasing or decreasing the opposition to the original current flow. according to Faraday, Maxwell and god know everyone else, there has to be something moving in nature in order for inductance to occur and a moving brush does just that. it changes the circuit on a continuous basis which increases or decreases the inductance per each side as per the current in complete unison.
part G does many thing's once taken from it's "oh hum" existence of a static position in a circuit to an active inductor.
it's functions are as follows;
1. two pole configuration to regulate current.
2. Split the feeds into two.
3. Store and release potential into the system.
4. Forward bias the rising side.
5. Amplification of potential.
so i have to tell all of you attempted replicators, please try THAT with a RESISTOR and tell me how that works for ya !
Regards,
Marathonman
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 14:09:15 GMT -6
And I would add
6. Connects back EMF from one side primaries to other disrespectfully on the brush positions
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Post by allanv on Aug 30, 2020 15:10:22 GMT -6
Hi, Yes, a resistor could be used to limit the current but once the back emf recycled the current build up would drive a greater voltage. The recycled power would burn the resistor up because there would be a larger voltage drop across it. The problem is understood but the actual Figuera device is not known to me except some drawings and the little that has been read. It sounds the same as my understanding.
The only difference with a two winding transformer is that with the build up of current and then when it reduces drives a larger and larger voltage that is recycled and drives the other current direction on the sine wave. Instead of being recycled into a +DC circuit the voltage is recycled into the increase of current in a -DC circuit. Each 1/4 cycle the currents in each winding take turns increasing and decreasing slightly more than the other.
This is why there is only 0.032Watts to link the power input and output of a 80watt transformer. This is 1/2500th of the load. When that link is generated by increasing and decreasing the current in each winding in relation to the other the 80watts can be generated by 0.032Watts.
Experience would say Patents are short on obvious detail unless the inventor is reading it. But it could be in the interpretation of the writing. I am certain to get the greatest gain the flux of two windings would need to interact even with DC.
I have a book "Hawkins Electrical Guide" from 1917 and it shows a wave winding with connections but no commutator. The Figuera commutator is connected to the opposite side with no connections shown on the other. Are the coils separate or on a common core?
All the best,
Allan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 15:53:06 GMT -6
Hi
Inductor is one whole unit that is like toroidal transformer You can use any type of inclosed core like C or even EI How ever I’m trying with toroidal form with pick ups from windings on equal points
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